maybe it was a good question by martha raddatz. maybe it was too broad, but they narrowed it in a second. they both gave elm passioned arguments. but the one by ryan said if i get a shot i'm going to outlaw abortion, i'm going to ban it, and biden said now we live in a society where we're telling everybody else how to live by law. does he charge at romney, who's been dodge-balling this issue for weeks now? >> sure. abortion is one of those issues where it's harder to make us sort of tack to the center. you're on one side or you're on the other side. to some extent one of the things i noticed is that no social issues came up at all and it worked to romney's advantage, because he was able to make this rhetorical shift and moderate a lot of his -- chris: single women going to him in those days afterwards. >> but abortion is a much harder issue to do that on. >> but there is a center, a place, and bill clinton defined it -- safe, legal and rare. that was a winning formulation for president clinton for a long time. >> but legal. that's